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Investing in increasing dividend paying stocks

On this podcast I’ll answer the question: does investing in stocks which have increasing dividends present a portfolio that outperforms the broad market?

I hardly comment on other blogs or podcasts, however lately I heard a well-liked internet marketer suggesting a ‘simple’ strategy to beat broad market investing by buying stocks that pay high dividends. He (Ryan Moran) was on a podcast I take pleasure in (Sensible Passive Revenue with Pat Flynn) and I felt compelled to comment. He was good sufficient to remark me back and we ended up have a reasonably lengthy trade.

I’ll summarize his technique:

  1. Invest in corporations that have a present dividend yield of over 4% and no less than 10 years of rising dividend amounts/share. He recommends reinvesting all dividends back into the stock. He mentioned an internet site which have about 24 corporations that meet his requirement (
  2. By investing in high dividend paying corporations you reinvest when the share worth is low and high (a type of greenback value averaging – steadily shopping for in all markets). Dividends will continue to pay out (probably persevering with to increase) in all markets. If the stock is down, that’s superb, the dividends will purchase more.
  3. This screening will solely have stocks from a couple of sectors (principally real estate investing and oil). There might be extra volatility than a diversified portfolio but that volatility is welcome because it offers a chance to buy when stocks are lower.
  4. He recommends using dividends for 80% of the screening course of but isn’t clear concerning the other elements.
  5. He additionally recommends reviewing the holdings when the dividend goes under four% (to probably sell).

He gave a number of examples of his holdings: actual property investments (REITs), Chevron (CVX), and Target (TGT).

To be truthful, Ryan had some good basic suggestions about decreasing debt, investing in your personal enterprise and investing in actual estate. His funding technique was the one portion I had issues with.

Summary of Considerations

Ryan’s declare is that by choosing stocks utilizing his technique (4% increasing dividend) your resulting portfolio will outperform the broader market.

My points are:

  1. The performance isn’t higher through the use of Ryan’s technique. His technique results in lower returns than the broader market. Even after seeing inferior returns, he was not convinced that his strategy and claims have been flawed.
  2. Dividend cost are immediately related to the income of a company. They may go down if an organization (or business) turns into much less profitable. It’s more necessary to pick quality corporations than corporations with rising dividends.
  3. This technique limits the portfolio to a small number of industries and corporations. Funding portfolios won’t be nicely diversified. If there are downturns in the power or housing sectors, portfolios utilizing this strategy shall be extra impacted that a broader portfolio.
  4. This is not a simple technique. Whereas he bases most of his choice determination on dividend progress, he admits that there are different elements that he seems to be at. Timing his sale/maintain determination on when a company cuts dividends absorbs a lot of the loss.

After figuring out that Ryan’s claim of superior performance is wrong, we ought to be finished. Nevertheless, Ryan was not convinces that complete return on investment was a very good indicator of efficiency, so we continued our dialogue. This evaluation does present some information about stock investments.

Let’s look at his assumptions and strategy.


Corporations usually have three options to share their income with their house owners (shareholders):

  1. They will reinvest it in the company, to extend the value of the company (and improve the stock worth). They will acquire one other company, make investments in analysis, broaden, …
  2. They will buy-back outstanding shares in the corporate. All shareholders maintain a bigger portion of the corporate. This increases the share worth.
  3. They will situation dividends, payments to the shareholders.

In fact, they will do a mixture of these three. The choice is determined by many elements together with the nature of their enterprise, alternatives, money wants, …

Through the use of dividends to purchase shares, this strategy is just increasing your investment in that firm. Dividends are the least efficient of the three to try this because of double taxation (the corporate pays taxes on the dividends they difficulty and you pay revenue taxes on the dividends acquired). If the aim is to own more of an organization – corporations doing Choices 1 and a couple of are more environment friendly.

One concern that I’ve together with his assumptions is that dividends to range with a company’s efficiency. The dividend payout is one approach to share income, but if there are not any income there shall be no dividends.

There are lots of corporations that paid dividends that do not exist now (Blockbuster, Lehman Bros, Wash Mutual, Mervyns, Enron …). The reinvestments in these corporations from the dividends they paid out did not transform a great investment. If there’s a carbon tax or governments restrict the amount of fossil fuels that may be extracted, corporations like Chevron might experience giant losses (Carbon Bubble). Their dividends and share worth will each go down.

Stock Choosing

With this strategy, and any stock choosing strategy, one of the best long run returns will probably be made by choosing the right corporations. This strategy focuses on dividend progress (which is one good indicator) but there are lots of different indicators to take a look at to pick quality corporations. Listed here are a number of other indicators:

  • Earnings compared to the worth of the inventory
  • Debt compared to equity
  • The growth in earnings per share
  • The value of belongings that an organization has
  • Money available
  • Revenue per share
  • Amount held by insiders
  • Revenue and operating margins
  • Firm measurement / market location
  • The relative value of the broader market (worth / 10 yr earnings)

There are various extra. Focusing on anybody, doesn’t offer you complete picture.


Ryan needs volatility in his holdings so that his dividends would buy when the market was low (assuming dividends proceed to pay, unaffected by the share downturn). He was not concerned about having a more risky portfolio even if it gave the identical complete return.

Volatility is a vital consideration. If you will get the same return with less danger, that may be most popular. Having diversification in your portfolio protects you towards unknown future bubbles in the market. Many individuals will need to access their funding (even when they didn’t plan on it) and should not be capable of watch for the right time – stability in the worth of your holdings can me essential.

Ryan states that if the inventory is down and you need to get out, watch for it to rebound or go up earlier than selling. That is easier stated than accomplished. Anyone with expertise in inventory investing knows that timing the market isn’t practical. Until you might have info that different buyers do not, you can’t say that the current value of the stock is just too high or too low. Stocks are priced based mostly on the knowledge that is publicly obtainable.


To match with Ryan’s technique – let me supply a common various (for a starting investor who needs to take a position on their own).

  1. Open an account (one with no charges or costs to open and trade in) at a reduction brokerage house (Schwab, TD Ameritrade, Vanguard, eTrade, …).
  2. Provide you with an funding coverage (I put a very primary one under – it ought to be based mostly on your danger tolerance and time horizon) and
  3. Choose a low expense ratio ETF or mutual fund for every asset class (one with no transaction payment). The investments will change relying on where you maintain your investments – look for no transaction fees. For instance:

60% US stock (Vanguard complete stock (VTSAX or VTI) or Schwab (SWTSX or SCHB))

20% overseas stock (Vanguard complete intl (VTIAX or VXUS) or Schwab (SCHE/SCHF))

20% bonds (Vanguard complete bond (VBTLX) or Schwab (SWLBX or SCHZ))

In fact, there are a whole lot of variations on this, but this is the core strategy. The thought is that you simply often (month-to-month for example) invest in response to your plan (greenback value averaging – shopping for at all market circumstances). Once each Three-6 months you re-balance to this investment policy – so if stocks have executed nicely, you promote some stocks and purchase bonds – if stocks do poorly, you promote bonds and purchase stock. (forcing you to buy low, sell high)

Individuals famously under-perform a market (Dunbar research) – they sell when the market is down (and things look dangerous) and purchase when the market is up (and things look nice). The other of Warren Buffet’s advice (be scared when others are greedy and grasping when others are scared).

By having a simple automated strategy – individuals don’t need to attempt to outguess the market, they spend very little time, no advisor charges, no analysis instruments. You possibly can make investments in very small quantities.

Returns on Investment

This was a problem in our dialogue. Ryan was not in agreement that the growth of the funding belongings was a great way to guage efficiency. He was not clear about what various measure he would use. He valued the dividend cost over increased worth, although the dividends have been being reinvested in the corporate. We by no means resolved this problem of arising with a measure gaging his strategy versus the broader market.

Complete returns are calculated assuming that dividends, curiosity, and any distribution is reinvested in the investment. This can lets you determine how a lot cash can be in your funding over a given time period.

There are 24 stocks that meet Ryan’s criteria (SXL, GEL, DLR, EPD, OKE, WPC, O, PAA, HP, OXY, APU, BPL, HEP, HCP, T, DGAS, SO, CVX, ARLP, NWN, UBA, UVV, MCY, ORI). Of those 24: 10 are in the oil and fuel business, 5 are real property investments (REITs), 4 utilities, 2 insurance coverage corporations, 1 coal firm, 1 tobacco company, 1 telecom company.

Of those 24, 12 had out-performed the broader US market (VTI) over a 10 yr interval (12 had underperformed the market over 10 years). Over the past yr, Three corporations outperformed the US market, 21 underperforming. Throughout a 3 yr period, 5 outperformed and 19 underperformed. Not one of the choices outperformed the US marketplace for all three time durations (1,Three,10 yrs). Therefore, throughout a 10 yr interval (the perfect for this group of stocks), half over performed and half underperformed the market index. Random choice (throwing a dart at an inventory of stocks) would give equal outcomes. The drawback of Ryan’s corporations are that dividends are taxed at a better fee than progress (capital features). For the 1 and 3 yr durations, the US market outperformed 83% of these stocks.

From 2009 via 2014, the US market outperformed this group of 24 stocks (that meet Ryan’s criteria) 54% of the time. Once more the technique is a few coin toss underperforming or over-performing the market.

Listed here are some returns (for comparability):
Stock/Fund(Ticker), Present Dividend Yield, 1, 3, 5, 10 yr annualized Complete Return

Vanguard Complete US Inventory (VTI), 1.eight% yield, 9, 17, 17, 8
Chevron (CVX), yield, -29, -5, 6, 6
Goal (TGT), 2.6% yield, 39, 10, 11, 5
Vanguard REIT (VGSIX), Three.7% yield, 9, 11, 14, eight
Vanguard Dividend Appreciation (VIG), 2.2% yield, 7, 13, 14, na
Vanguard High Dividend Yield (VYM), 3.0% yield, 6, 14, 16, na

So should you began with $100okay 10 years in the past, immediately you’d have the next quantity with each funding (with dividend reinvestment):

Vanguard Complete US Stock (VTI), $180okay
Chevron (CVX), $160okay
Goal (TGT), $150okay
Vanguard REIT (VGSIX), $180okay
(VIG and VYM haven’t been round for 10 yrs)

As well as, after tax returns favor low dividend investments (revenue vs capital positive aspects fee). This info did not persuade Ryan that his technique was not outperforming the broader market.

Implementing the Technique

One other concern together with his strategy are his final two point. Selling (or holding) when dividends lower and the extra elements to pick a company.

The thought of selling your stock as soon as the dividend goes down just isn’t a productive strategy. When the share worth goes down, the dividend yield (quantity of dividend as a proportion of the share worth) truly goes up. So when a dividend minimize is definitely introduced and you see the dividend yield go down, the stock has already misplaced a big quantity of worth. Your dividend reinvestments and initial purchase will all have misplaced value.

Ryan did say that if the dividend was minimize, he wouldn’t mechanically sell, he would consider the company and perhaps maintain or sell. This ties into my second concern, evaluating the stock. Ryan states that he would take a look at other elements in addition to just dividend progress and current dividend yield however he wasn’t clear about what he would take a look at. This makes it arduous for someone to comply with his strategy and get claimed performance.


I’m positive Ryan Moran is a very sensible web marketer and I do assume that dividend progress is an indicator to think about in case you are investing in particular person stocks. Nevertheless, his declare that he has a simple investment technique that outperforms the broader market is unfounded.

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